Lavalys Discussion Forum: HD5850/5870 Voltage reading - Lavalys Discussion Forum

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

HD5850/5870 Voltage reading dangerous?

#1 User is offline   genetix

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 17
  • Joined: 03-October 08

Posted 05 November 2009 - 05:56 PM

Well, as pointed out on Rivatuner / MSI Afterburner there's possible issue on Volterra VRM regular Voltage reading specifically at high stress on card.

So, how does this stand for Lavalys Everest v5.30? Is it still ok to keep Windows Vista/7 Sidebar polling the voltage up. I tested the Lavalys Everest + MSI Afterburner and all the suddenly
my card voltages jumped from regular IDLE 0.950v to 1.648v IDLE voltage. So, something messed it up. I'm not just sure was it the Afterburner or Everest. I was in impression that this might just be in hoax value, but hell my card heated up to 90-100 degrees which is pretty bad considering I have some serious cooling on it. So, cannot be just hoax reading either.

So, asking is it safe or even wise to leave this VRM voltage monitoring enabled and, if not (program 'Sensor'-page will still update it). How to fully disable this reading on Everest?

This post has been edited by genetix: 05 November 2009 - 05:58 PM

0

#2 User is online   Fiery

  • Lavalys Developer
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Lavalys Moderators
  • Posts: 10,120
  • Joined: 30-July 04

Posted 13 November 2009 - 09:46 AM

1) We haven't heard of such issues about EVEREST. And please do such tests only with EVEREST running, or else you cannot pinpoint the actual software that may have caused the Volterra chip mixup.

2) You cannot disable just the VRM monitoring. You can disable the whole sensor module, but then you'll lose all sensor values (e.g. CPU temperature) altogether. In the case you (or another user) can reveal possible issues about VRM monitoring with EVEREST, we'll of course implement a new option in the EVEREST Preferences to let you disable only the VRM monitoring.


Regards,
Fiery
0

#3 User is offline   Cypress XT

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1
  • Joined: 13-November 09

Posted 13 November 2009 - 08:30 PM

Greetings!



The only monitoring / diagnostic tool I use is GPU-Z and EVEREST, but I've had a 'voltage jump' problem with a
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5870:


Sometimes the VDDC reached 1.65V, and as a result, the card operated at higher noise and temperature levels (up to
54% fan speed, 92 degrees of Celsius GPU temperature under 3D load, according to the reading of EVEREST's and
GPU-Z's sensors). Formatted the Windows Vista (x64) partition, and installed Windows 7 (x86), with Catalyst 9.10
WHQL, and the problem disappeared for two weeks (because for monitoring under Win7, I only used GPU-Z - the max.
voltage never exceeded 1.1625V under load, temps were 80-84 degrees of Celsius, with a maximum of 33% fan speed)


Installed EVEREST v5.30, and the voltage started jumping again to 1.65V (noise and temperatures raised too).
The VDDCI voltage also jumped from 1.15V to 1.5V (it never exceeded 1.15V in GPU-Z 0.3.6, if EVEREST wasn't
running in the background). Restarted the system, didn't run EVEREST again (used GPU-Z instead), and the
voltages went back to normal. More, than three days passed since, and still no 'jumping'. VDDC and VDDCI always
stay at maximum 1.1625V, and 1.15V.


I assume there is a software problem between EVEREST and the HD 5870. Or maybe between the HD 5870, EVEREST AND
GPU-Z.
So I ask Lavalys' experts to examine, what is exactly responsive for the 'voltage jumping' issue described above!

This post has been edited by Cypress XT: 13 November 2009 - 08:33 PM

0

#4 User is offline   genetix

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 17
  • Joined: 03-October 08

Posted 15 November 2009 - 12:52 AM

View PostCypress XT, on 13 November 2009 - 10:30 PM, said:

The only monitoring / diagnostic tool I use is GPU-Z and EVEREST, but I've had a 'voltage jump' problem with a
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5870:


Sometimes the VDDC reached 1.65V, and as a result, the card operated at higher noise and temperature levels (up to
54% fan speed, 92 degrees of Celsius GPU temperature under 3D load, according to the reading of EVEREST's and
GPU-Z's sensors). Formatted the Windows Vista (x64) partition, and installed Windows 7 (x86), with Catalyst 9.10
WHQL, and the problem disappeared for two weeks (because for monitoring under Win7, I only used GPU-Z - the max.
voltage never exceeded 1.1625V under load, temps were 80-84 degrees of Celsius, with a maximum of 33% fan speed)


Installed EVEREST v5.30, and the voltage started jumping again to 1.65V (noise and temperatures raised too).
The VDDCI voltage also jumped from 1.15V to 1.5V (it never exceeded 1.15V in GPU-Z 0.3.6, if EVEREST wasn't
running in the background). Restarted the system, didn't run EVEREST again (used GPU-Z instead), and the
voltages went back to normal. More, than three days passed since, and still no 'jumping'. VDDC and VDDCI always
stay at maximum 1.1625V, and 1.15V.


I assume there is a software problem between EVEREST and the HD 5870. Or maybe between the HD 5870, EVEREST AND
GPU-Z.
So I ask Lavalys' experts to examine, what is exactly responsive for the 'voltage jumping' issue described above!


Running Intel X38 with Q9450 OC'ed to teeth ;P with ASUS EAH5850.

I have been testing under Windows Vista x64 SP2 + platform update now for 10 days. The voltage error is gone
only way you will have this issue is to run any diagnostic tool monitoring the VRM voltage at the time of stressing
the card itself. This means Everest v5.30, (Rivatuner v2.24c, MSI AfterBurner v1.4b4), GPU-Z v0.3.6 & ASUS SmartMonitor(last version)
whatever generally you run background while adding hard 3D stress to the card makes the voltages to "mixup" IDLE will become 1.648v
and stress will become 1.087->1.648v. This is a weird issue.



@Fiery

Looks like everest as well I tested clean install of both Windows Vista and Windows 7 last patches alive from MS. It doesn't
matter what monitoring program runs on background while 'gaming' or running the stress with something like Furmark would do
to duplicate. This is not everest issue it's the Volterra VRM chip issue it cannot seem to handle the writing to VRM same
time as stress on VRM.

In the end I removed all active monitoring programs and everything seems to work flawless been monitoring through GPU-Z
as well scheduled after every hard "3D session" and/or UVD Video encoding / OpenCL usage. Just incredible sad you can't have any kind
of monitoring for your hardware where it's needed.

This post has been edited by genetix: 15 November 2009 - 12:56 AM

0

#5 User is offline   YTDamnit

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 5
  • Joined: 20-July 07

Posted 30 November 2009 - 07:48 PM

Howdy,

Has there been any updates on this topic? I am receiving my 5890 soon and not sure I can live without Everest.

Thanks.
0

#6 User is offline   YTDamnit

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 5
  • Joined: 20-July 07

Posted 03 December 2009 - 05:05 AM

View PostYTDamnit, on 30 November 2009 - 11:48 AM, said:

Howdy,

Has there been any updates on this topic? I am receiving my 5890 soon and not sure I can live without Everest.

Thanks.


OK I must have been tired when I wrote 5890... I have a 5970 installed. I have not witnessed the voltage jump but if I have Everest(1954) running, monitoring enabled, I get a hard crash after "stressing" the card. I have had no issue with Everest closed (no other monitoring) or when using MSI Afterburner as it does have a check box for disabling the voltage monitoring only.

OS is Win7 and Everest is 5.30 beta 1954

Hopfully a toggle switch can be added as I love Everest.

Thanks in advance!
0

#7 User is offline   YTDamnit

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 5
  • Joined: 20-July 07

Posted 09 December 2009 - 08:13 PM

Everest and the 5970 create a hard lock for me. Based on this thread it appears to be realted to the GPU voltage monitoring. I cannot use Everest at all (since I only use it for hardware monitoring of the CPU/MB/GPU). Can we get a switch for disabling voltage monitoring please? Any other suggestions?

Thnaks.
0

#8 User is offline   YTDamnit

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 5
  • Joined: 20-July 07

Posted 16 December 2009 - 05:07 PM

View PostFiery, on 13 November 2009 - 01:46 AM, said:

1) We haven't heard of such issues about EVEREST. And please do such tests only with EVEREST running, or else you cannot pinpoint the actual software that may have caused the Volterra chip mixup.

2) You cannot disable just the VRM monitoring. You can disable the whole sensor module, but then you'll lose all sensor values (e.g. CPU temperature) altogether. In the case you (or another user) can reveal possible issues about VRM monitoring with EVEREST, we'll of course implement a new option in the EVEREST Preferences to let you disable only the VRM monitoring.


Regards,
Fiery

I would love to have the option to disable only the voltage monitoring. Not sure I can "prove it" but all my experimenting seems to agree with you.
Please feel free to ask me for anything that might help.

Thanks.
0

#9 User is offline   elior77

  • Newbie
  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1
  • Joined: 15-May 10

Posted 15 May 2010 - 04:24 PM

View PostYTDamnit, on 16 December 2009 - 05:07 PM, said:

I would love to have the option to disable only the voltage monitoring. Not sure I can "prove it" but all my experimenting seems to agree with you.
Please feel free to ask me for anything that might help.

Thanks.


same problem here with the gpu voltage jumping to 1.6~

What about the 5870 mem usage ?
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users